HP 8569B Spectrum Analyzer: almost the same, not quite identical

It took the best part of two hours to find the reason for the mixed mode malfunction-the lacking sweep time denominator issue. By comparison of all 84 lines going from the main front panel assy no. 08565-60002 to the analyzer, found an issue with the J1-43 line, MNL SWP (manual sweep).

8565a j1-19 man swp8569b j1-43 mnl swp

Above, old version (08565-60002 A-1645-45), below new version (08565-60002 B-2430-53).

8565a old board
8565a new board

8565a front switch assy modified

8565a wire

No big deal, added a yellow wire, to connect the pushbutton contact to the J1-43 line.

8569b working

A quick test, and it is working just fine!

Now, the only thing remaining are the knobs, but this will have to wait a few more weeks.

H 8569B Spectrum Analyzer: some progress, and a few more items to fix

A brief summary of the somewhat tedious job of fixing the 8569B front controls, which are a great feat of engineering but the plastics are prone to aging:

First, replacing the gear, it is a 48-pitch, 48-tooth spur gear, glad that I had one spare, but they are still available:
8565a gear
8569b gear

Next step, some contact cleaning, using a soft eraser, and some isopropanol.
8569b cleaning contacts

The frequency control – for some reason, there are different versions around, one that has wires attached, and one the has pins – interestingly enough, the 8565a control fitted has wires, but the 8569b requires pins – also here, good to have a spare assembly around, with the pins…
8569b frequency control

Defective bias pot – also here, a spare fitted.
8569b bias pot

Some of the contact fingers broken off-also there were fixed, and everything put back together.
8569b back together

Finally, noticed that the 10 dB segment of the 70 dB input attenuator (5086-7365) is stuck. Nothing dramatic, just one of the little O-rings holding the contact actuators broken off, and parts of it stuck in the contact.
8569b 5086-7365

Finally, a quick test – everything seems to be working-
8569b display

-unfortunatly, still missing something – the sweep time indicator is not showing a time denominator (µs, ms, sec), and the analyzer remains in the digital mode for all sweep time settings – it should switch to mixed analog-digital mode (at the time the 8569b was designed, there was no easy way to run analog-to-digital converters any faster than a few kHz without causing exorbitant cost, so the 8569b uses the digital storage mode only at the slower sweeps).
8569b display missing

Remaining items:

(1) Identify the issue with the sweep time indicator and missing transition to mixed analog-digital mode. Maybe related to the 8565a control fitted to a 8569b? – Checked by substituting a control assy from a good 8565a – working just fine with the 8569b – accordingly, this is not the reason for the fault. There seems to be a defect on the main front panel board. Maybe a bad switch contact, or a broken trace. Will be quite a pain to test will all the cables, switches and screws.

(2) Manufacture the control knobs for the frequency-bandwidth-span-atten-ref level setting. These were missing and don’t have spares at hand/these wheels are getting brittle anyway. Will make a new set from aluminum alloy, during next stay, in Germany, the only place with access to adequate machine tools.

HP 8569B Spectrum Analyzer: working essentials

After two very busy weeks, finally, a chance to have a look at the 8569B analyzer (with the 8565A control). No display, no way to find out if at least the essential items are working – these include the input mixers, the YIG filter and oscillator, and other GHz frequency components.
First tests showed that the power supplys are all working and well adjusted; still no display.

Connected a scope to the rear panel output – sweep is working!

Some little repairs of the CRT section (nothing really interesting to write about) – look at this sight:

8569b working crt

Really great, a bright CRT, and well-focused. And, it is actually showing a signal – basically, a working unit. At least, a start. Now we just have to see how to get the controls fixed.

HP 8565A?? HP 8569B?? Spectrum Analyzer: a mixed box

For next to nothing, I got hold of a HP (Agilent, now: Keysight) 8565A 8569B mixed analyzer:

8569b front panel 2

8569b panel

As you can see, the main unit, including the CRT and electronics, is a 8569B, but someone fitted a (rather incomplete) 8565A control assembly. Not a big deal, normally, but the control assembly fitted here has virtually all the common defects: missing contact wipers, and missing/defective knobs.

Another common defect (can all be fixed):
8569b wheel

A quick test – the CRT seems to be working, albeit, it is now dark after a few minutes of operation – most likely, just a dead capacitor, but the CRT itself is definitely pretty good. Also the CPU seems to work just fine.

8569b yig

The unit has a lot of RF goodies, like a 22 GHz 3-stage YIG filter, a YIG oscillator, a 22 GHz mixer, various 22 Ghz coaxial relais – but with another parts unit already at hand, this unit seems to be to precious to scrap. Well, need to think about it, always wanted to provide an electronic replacement for the aging 8565A 8569A/B control assemblies. Maybe, a good project for next winter!

3047A Phase Noise System: the revival

For quite some years I have been dealing with temporary setups for phase noise measurement, mixers, amplifiers, analyzers, of all kinds. For the more noise sources, direct measurement with a good spectrum analyzer is rather straightforward, but in most cases, dealing with rather low noise sources here, and often, at rather high GHz frequencies.

Various techniques exist for reasonably accurate phase noise measurement of low noise sources, lately, at least in the <100 MHz region, correlation type (sampling) methods are used, and these instruments are great, really fast, and a good choice, if you have the funds and want something new and fancy. With all these choices nowadays, for many years, the HP (Agilent, Keysight) 3047A and 3048A were the gold standard for phase noise measurements (along with some Wenzel instruments). And, even better, the software at the time was written in BASIC, with all the source code available - so at least you know what it does and how it works. 3047a code

After scoring two of the 35601A units for a handful of dollars, time for a revival. With the old software no longer usable on current systems, some hours were spent to adapt it modern times. In the meantime, most of this software, at least the essential parts, have been implemented in C (still needs to be cleaned up, if you are working on a similar thing and need it urgently, let me know).

This is the general setup:
3047a scheme

The noise floor, depends on the mixer (the 35601A has two mixers, one for the 5 MHz to 1.6 GHz range, and a second mixer for up to 18 GHz – the later one has about 10 dB reduced sensitivity).
3047a noise floor

So far, the system is running with a 3585A analyzer only, with temporary software, at single frequencies. The 3047A employs the 3585A analyzer from 25 kHz onwards, and a 3582A FFT analyzer for the lower frequencies; this will be replaced by a 3562A. The 3585A is also used to measure the correction factors of the interface, which is rather straightforward because of the build-in tracking generator.

Now, after some more programming, some first measurements, of a few generators I have around here (8645A, 8782B, and a Micro-Tel SG811). As a reference the 8662A is used, so the 8645A can’t perform to its full specs – the measurement is limited by the reference.

3047a 3585a analyzer test

Next steps: improving the 3562A functionality, for lower frequencies – this requires some more work on the HP code, which was written for a 3582A analyzer. And, finally, making it a bit more easy and intuitive to use.

Controlling the 35601A Spectrum Analyzer Interface

Amongst other heavy boxes, the HPAK (HP Agilent now Keysight) 35601A is one of the instruments that form the venerable 3047A phase noise measurement system.
It contains two phase detectors (for up to 1.6 GHz, and for up to 18 GHz), a 40 db low noise amplifier, and other useful components to form a PLL (lead lag network, lock detector, a DAC, and a PLL to drive a low frequency signal from the 3585A IF).

35601a block diagram

This is the block diagram, sorry for the bad quality, it is the best I have, and you can read it with a magnifying glass. The 35601A has all kinds of switches that are GPIB controlled. The original HP software requires a particular dialect of BASIC, no longer used these days.

Therefore, the little program below might be helpful, written in C (compiles with GCC, and most other C compilers). Sorry, not particularly user friendly or anything, but those having ordinary skill in the art will know how to use it. The binary is quite useful for a quick check of the 35601A. Just connect a 10 MHz reference, and a 10 MHz VCO with about 10 kHz per V tuning range (like a 8662A with DC FM), and you can watch to PLL close.

PLL unlocked (see the upper yellow LED illuminated, indicating an open phase lock loop):
35601a not locked

PLL locked (the upper LED is dark!):
35601a locked

The program files. Working with a National Instruments GPIB interface card, but can be adapted to other cards with little effort.
sw35601 program 150227

Please, no unfavorable comments about the Tektronix 2215. It is still a very good scope, despite the obvious lack of a LCD screen and gigabytes worth of sample memory (it doesn’t have any memory).

11729B Test Set: quick phase noise check of a Giga-Tronics 605

Some experimentation with the recently acquired 11729B test set: measuring the noise floor of a Giga-Tronics 605 synthesizer, running at about 7.2 GHz.

To do this, more than 250 pounds of equipment stacked up:
mw pn test setup

On top, the Giga-Tronics, in the middle, the 11729B, and below, the 8662A (providing the low noise 640 MHz carrier for the multiplier of the 11729B, and the variable LO to adjust the IF to the analyzer range).
mw pn test set 2

Trying out two loop bandwidth on the 11729B, 10 Hz and 1 kHz. You can clearly see the loop impact on the measured noise:

11729b test

Blue curve – 10 Hz BW setting
Green curve – 1 kHz BW setting

All spectra were recorded using a 3585A, and the KE5FX PN software (which is really great for all general phase noise measurement tasks).

The purple curve – this is when the FM modulation is switched on, at 0 amplitude – still, it introduces quite a bit of noise!

BNC 50 Ohm Termination: a rather surprising construction

Doing some precise level measurement on 50 Ohm system, I came across this termination, Model 24931 28P296-1.

termination 1

It’s resistance, not quite 50 Ohms, but 51.1 Ohm… not that the DC resistance is the most important characteristics of a 50 Ohm termination, but nevertheless, a reason to check it.

This termination is constructed using a BNC connector, so I expected some kind of thin film resistor inside, maybe damaged by overload or age, leading to the incorrect resistance.

Opening it up, this it what I found:

termination rn55d 51r1 resistor

termination

The resistive element, a Vishay Dale R55D metal film resistor:
vishay rn55 resistor

And, in fact, it is a 51.1 Ohm, +-100 ppm/K tempco resistor. 0.1 Watts so it is running close to its limit already at 20 dBm! Don’t have the right tools here to measure ‘low frequency’ (< 2 GHz) SWR... but will check back home at the main workshop one time in the future, just for curiosity.

11729B Low Noise Down Converter: a small box, with very low noise

In an effort to upgrade my phase noise measurement system, look what I found, for less than 1 cent, for the earlier list price in dollars: a quite amazing HP (Agilent, now: Keysight) 11729B, equipped with all bands from 0 to 18 GHz.

The 11729B works best with a 8662A generator, to supply a 640 MHz low noise signal, and a variable 0-1280 MHz to move the IF to the right position.

11729b front

11729b inner workings

11729b scheme

The 640 MHz low noise signal from the 8662A is filtered by a quite massive Wavetek filter, amplified to about 30 dBm (1 Watt), driving a HP 33004A-H18 comb generator. The right line is selected by a filter assembly, using multiple 18 GHz coax relais. HP did not save on parts here….

11729b comb gen and filter

11729b mixer and if amp

The “brain”, a MC68B09P, a trusty 8 bit CPU, or as Motorola calls it, a “Microprocessing Unit”.

11729-60008 cpu ram rom

Just in case you need it, the ROM file, stored on a 2764 EPROM. Version 2.1!

11729b v2.1

8662A Synthesized Signal Generator: another rather straightforward repair

These 8662A generators keep coming in, seems that after so many years (like, 30 years) of 24/7 service, some little things are coming up. But not really sure if the frequency of failure/repair really increases, because with all these 1000s of parts, most of the units have seen some repair already, and it is just in the ordinary course of things that there can be defects every once in a while.

This unit add issues with the reference sum loop (A6A5), showing up in intervals of about 10-20 MHz. Knowing that a 10/20 MHz reference is used for the ref sum loop assy, this was the first and most likely cause of the defect. So, I substituted the 10/20 MHz signal, but, to no effect. Therefore, the defect is most likely located on the A6A5 assy.

8662a a6a5

One option would be to switch the assembly with one of my 8662A/8663A units, but these are currently in use and I don’t want to pull out assemblies that are difficult to fix and need adjustments, etc.

So, next, checked the pre-tune circuit, and, issue found. TP14 is at a constant -2 V, rather than variable voltage as per requirement given in the service manual. Digital input is OK – maybe the fault is in the semiconductors – one transistor, and 4 FETs switching a current source.
With spares at hand, these suspicious parts were quickly replaced. Effect: no effect. Big mystery.

Now, connected an external resistor, to measure the pretune DAC (4 FETs), and, it works! Even more mysterious.

Finally, also checked the traces and the resistors, and found the ‘2K’ Trimpot to have about 40k!! With the wiper contact having some effect, but not much.

8662a a6a5 assy schematic

8662 defective trimpot

Desoldering the Trimpot – all seems to be OK with it. Maybe some kind of aged solder joint? Whatever it was, the Trimpot is now fixed, the A6A5 assy re-adjusted, and the 8662A working again!!