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HP 8568B Spectrum Analyzer: a fair number of adjustments…. done.

Having the 8568B basically working again is great. Not so great were the correction coefficients, all seems to be a bit out of alignment.

Before alignment…. quite some deviations at 100 kHz, at the lower frequencies, and so on.
8568b corr coeff

This is the order of the coefficients:
8568Bcalerror

First, checked the log amp circuits, and all seems fine. No adjustment made.

The, some small tweeking of the A4A5 assy that controls the step gains.

Then, the major part, the xtal filters of board A4A7:
8568b a4a7 assy 85662-60004

Each of its crystals can be switched to 10-30-100-300-1kHz bandwidth, at virtually constant gain.
To do the alignment properly, each xtal has to be tuned separately, and some bypass networks are needed.

8568b bypass

8568b atx cable connector

The bypass network, a 2.8 Ohms resistor in series with a 47n ceramic cap – just use an old ATX power supply connector to get some suitable contacts. These come free of charge, whereas HP used to charge a dollar each, or more. Note that I did not have any 2.8 Ohms resistors at hand, so I used two 5R6 in parallel.

This is how it looks during the adjustment:
8568b a4a7 adjustment bypass

When all is done, the bandpass responses should be symmetrical, which they are, and the amplitude flat for all bandwidth. After running the calibration, these coefficients were found:
8568b final corr coeff

As you can see, it all looks great, except for the 10 Hz bandwidth. Carefully re-checked the aligment – 30-100-300-1000 is perfectly flat, but whatever I do, it seems A4A7 has extra loss when set to 10 Hz bandwidth. In priciple such situation can happen with misaligned crystals, or with some low-frequency issue of one of the amplifiers, which are rather unlikely. Maybe just some aged xtals? Will give it another try later, with flatness checks with some of the xtals bypassed, to see if the issue is caused by any particular of the stages. Found one of the 2.2 µF tantalum caps on the A4A7 to have high leakage current, replaced it, to no effect.

For now, it is good enough – specification at 10 Hz more relaxed anyway, and I never do 10 Hz bandwidth measurements without correction enabled, just considering that any modern analyzer basically relies on a good number of calibration and correction data stored somewhere in the instrument, and applied to all measurements.

HP 8568B Spectrum Analyzer: an amazing find, a few repairs, and a restored marvel of RF engineering

It appears that the US is a land of plenty when it comes to somewhat dated test equipment, otherwise, it would be hard to explain why someone would sell a 8568B analyzer, including a display unit, for just a few dollars. A great find!
In the as-received state, after removing the 8568B and the 85662A display unit from two huge boxes, it was starting up, but did not show any signal, and no annotations on the screen. The latter turned out to be a rather easy fix, a little defect in the intensity control circuit.

First step – adjusted all the CRT circuits, focus/intensity control circuits, and the analog/digital display scaling and stroke generator.
The CRT is of a quite amazing quality, not sure if it is the original CRT – it has a hand-written label sticking to it, which could indicate that it has been replaced at one point in time.

The major item, no signal (but a typical background noise trace) – this can be anything, but unless in cases of several neglect, it is hard to destroy the mixer or other hard to fix ciruits of the 8568B (typically, the attenuator, and the build-in limiter are absorbing any overload power).

Switching the input attenuator, some signal found at -70 dB attenuation! Strange, so there is something wrong with the attenuator.

Similar to the CRT, also the attenuator seems to have been replaced before:
8568b atten 5086-7815 70 db 24 v 4 ghz

8568b atten assy

Opening it up, with the necessary care, what a strange thing – the contacts are not making any contract… the screws indicate that someone has tried to fix it before, or maybe damaged these contact fingers, while trying to fix it.
8568b atten defective 2

This explains why only at the highest attenuation setting, there is a signal: the contacts work when pushed agains the 10-20-40 dB attenuator pads, but they don’t make contact with the pad bypass (“0 dB”).
8568b atten defective

Using some fine-tip tools, re-adjusted the contacts so that they close the by-pass of the attenuators.
8568b atten adjusted

Before re-assembly, make sure that there are no dust particles, and that the mating surfaces are perfectly clean. Best use a small, soft brush.
There is no need to over-tighten the screws. This attenator is the 4 GHz version, and not particularly critical. For the 22 GHz version, of same design, best check for SWR and insertion loss, and carefully tighten all screw with just enough torque to hold the assembly together.

Some checks, some adjustments – and the instrument passed the self-calibration with no issues. The coeffcients are not zero, but close enough, and cross check with a well-calibrated 8642B shows that the amplitude accuracy is perfectly fine, no issues with flatness, any of the attenuator settings, or when switching through the various bandwidths.
8568b corr coeff

Some of the other parts, the 1st LO – a YIG oscillator.
8568b yig

The reference, and OSC 49-61C, unfortunately, I can’t find any spec data for it, but appears to be a rather low phase noise oscillator, with more than adequate stability.
8568b ovenaire osc 49-61C

As a further note, should you be in the market for a 8568B or 8566B analyzer, make sure that it comes with the 85662-60093, 85662-60094 bus and interface cables.
8568b 85662-60094 85662-60093 cables
These cables don’t look like anything special, but are commonly sold for over USD 100 a piece, even in used condition. Often, the cables are lost when the instruments are put in storage, and auctioned later. Fortunatly, the current unit came with all the cables, even with a set of power cables!

A short glance on the main board, it is a marvel of engineering and a pleasure for the eye, all traces layed out by hand, fully gold plated, amazing quality and attention to detail. Might last another 100 years of 24/7 use.
8568b main board

3047A Phase Noise Test Set: getting closer…

Quick update on the 3047A software:

(1) Implemented the beat note search for low frequencies – using the 3562A analyzer. This is now working just great, using a zero crossings algorithm.

(2) Implemented the loop correction (including the “Difcorrection” method).

(3) Implemented the phase detector slope measurement for low frequencies – using the 3562A analyzer.

(4) Implemented loop characterization for below 20 Hz. This utilizes the noise source of the 3562A, and both channels, to measure the transfer function. Actually, sounds easy, but took quite some effort to get it to work properly.

That’s the latest version of the source.
main – 150329 backup

A quick test with the 8782B – and, it seems to work!
8782B PN test loop corr

Will put it to a test with a very narrowband PLL soon.

HP 3047A Phase Noise Measurement: progress on the low frequency part, and a GTK interface.

Quite some progress on the 3047A software – while I don’t really need a lot of phase noise data below a few kHz, still good to have things complete and working. As mentioned earlier, the 3047A test system used the 3582A FFT analyzer – which is very much outdated, apart from the fact that I don’t have one around. So a little bit of adaption, to incorporate a 3562a into the system.

To test the setup, three generators were tested, vs. a 8662A reference:

A 8782B at 28.800000 MHz (ref: 8662A DC FM, 5 kHz/V, scope: 50 mV/div):
pn 8782 50 mv per div

A 8782B at 28.800013 MHz (ref: 8662A DC FM, 5 kHz/V, scope: 50 mV/div):
pn 8782 50 mv per div at 28800013
Note the spurious content, seems to be related to a fractional divider in the 8782B.

A Micro-Tel SG 811, which is a free-running generator (ref: 8662A DC FM, 100 kHz/V, scope: 1 V/div):
pn mtl 1 v per div

And, as the “gold standard”, a 8645A (no picture, scope shows just a flat line, with a few mVpp).

pn test

A few items – firstly, the 40 dB LNA of the 35601A interface is working fine – see the tests with and without – very little offset, except in the 1 kHz region, where such offset can be expected due to noise levels/parasitic noise of the setup that can only be overcome when using the LNA. Secondly, see the sharp drop at just above 10 kHz for the Micro-Tel measurement – this is corresponding to the loop bandwidth of the PLL. Note that the lower frequency data were only collected for test purposes – they are within the loop bandwidth and more or less invalid at below 10 kHz for the Micro-Tel, and below ~1 kHz for the others.
Above a few kHz, the system reaches the noise level of the 8662A – except for the spurs, and the Micro-Tel.

Afterwards, a quick reproducibility check:

pn reproducibility

The transition from the 3562A to the 3585A analyzers occurs at 25 kHz – sometimes, there is a little step. Need to check this further – maybe related to the disabled auto-recalibration of the 3562A.

Remaining items:

(1) Beatnote measurement for low frequency, using the 3562A – this is needed to test using very narrow bandwidth PLLs, like with voltage control inputs (ECF) of stable crystal oscillators.

(2) Phase slope measurements for small offsets, using the 3562A – currently, using the DC FM tuning input of the 8662A with a few kHz deviation – but this extension is needed for narrow loop BW/small tuning range as well.

(3) Some general cleanup of the code, and full incorporation of the PLL loop suppression correction (section “Difcorrection”). Nevertheless, that’s the current status, with some bugs fixed over the earlier version (LF filter settings F0, F1, F2, and some other minor things).
pnt_ main _150322

(4) Finally, adding some user-friendliness. Quite a bit of progress on this front, with a GTK based interface (need to implement the hardware control layer). Here a first glimpse.
tws pn1 gtk

HP 8569B Spectrum Analyzer: almost the same, not quite identical

It took the best part of two hours to find the reason for the mixed mode malfunction-the lacking sweep time denominator issue. By comparison of all 84 lines going from the main front panel assy no. 08565-60002 to the analyzer, found an issue with the J1-43 line, MNL SWP (manual sweep).

8565a j1-19 man swp8569b j1-43 mnl swp

Above, old version (08565-60002 A-1645-45), below new version (08565-60002 B-2430-53).

8565a old board
8565a new board

8565a front switch assy modified

8565a wire

No big deal, added a yellow wire, to connect the pushbutton contact to the J1-43 line.

8569b working

A quick test, and it is working just fine!

Now, the only thing remaining are the knobs, but this will have to wait a few more weeks.

H 8569B Spectrum Analyzer: some progress, and a few more items to fix

A brief summary of the somewhat tedious job of fixing the 8569B front controls, which are a great feat of engineering but the plastics are prone to aging:

First, replacing the gear, it is a 48-pitch, 48-tooth spur gear, glad that I had one spare, but they are still available:
8565a gear
8569b gear

Next step, some contact cleaning, using a soft eraser, and some isopropanol.
8569b cleaning contacts

The frequency control – for some reason, there are different versions around, one that has wires attached, and one the has pins – interestingly enough, the 8565a control fitted has wires, but the 8569b requires pins – also here, good to have a spare assembly around, with the pins…
8569b frequency control

Defective bias pot – also here, a spare fitted.
8569b bias pot

Some of the contact fingers broken off-also there were fixed, and everything put back together.
8569b back together

Finally, noticed that the 10 dB segment of the 70 dB input attenuator (5086-7365) is stuck. Nothing dramatic, just one of the little O-rings holding the contact actuators broken off, and parts of it stuck in the contact.
8569b 5086-7365

Finally, a quick test – everything seems to be working-
8569b display

-unfortunatly, still missing something – the sweep time indicator is not showing a time denominator (µs, ms, sec), and the analyzer remains in the digital mode for all sweep time settings – it should switch to mixed analog-digital mode (at the time the 8569b was designed, there was no easy way to run analog-to-digital converters any faster than a few kHz without causing exorbitant cost, so the 8569b uses the digital storage mode only at the slower sweeps).
8569b display missing

Remaining items:

(1) Identify the issue with the sweep time indicator and missing transition to mixed analog-digital mode. Maybe related to the 8565a control fitted to a 8569b? – Checked by substituting a control assy from a good 8565a – working just fine with the 8569b – accordingly, this is not the reason for the fault. There seems to be a defect on the main front panel board. Maybe a bad switch contact, or a broken trace. Will be quite a pain to test will all the cables, switches and screws.

(2) Manufacture the control knobs for the frequency-bandwidth-span-atten-ref level setting. These were missing and don’t have spares at hand/these wheels are getting brittle anyway. Will make a new set from aluminum alloy, during next stay, in Germany, the only place with access to adequate machine tools.

HP 8569B Spectrum Analyzer: working essentials

After two very busy weeks, finally, a chance to have a look at the 8569B analyzer (with the 8565A control). No display, no way to find out if at least the essential items are working – these include the input mixers, the YIG filter and oscillator, and other GHz frequency components.
First tests showed that the power supplys are all working and well adjusted; still no display.

Connected a scope to the rear panel output – sweep is working!

Some little repairs of the CRT section (nothing really interesting to write about) – look at this sight:

8569b working crt

Really great, a bright CRT, and well-focused. And, it is actually showing a signal – basically, a working unit. At least, a start. Now we just have to see how to get the controls fixed.

HP 8565A?? HP 8569B?? Spectrum Analyzer: a mixed box

For next to nothing, I got hold of a HP (Agilent, now: Keysight) 8565A 8569B mixed analyzer:

8569b front panel 2

8569b panel

As you can see, the main unit, including the CRT and electronics, is a 8569B, but someone fitted a (rather incomplete) 8565A control assembly. Not a big deal, normally, but the control assembly fitted here has virtually all the common defects: missing contact wipers, and missing/defective knobs.

Another common defect (can all be fixed):
8569b wheel

A quick test – the CRT seems to be working, albeit, it is now dark after a few minutes of operation – most likely, just a dead capacitor, but the CRT itself is definitely pretty good. Also the CPU seems to work just fine.

8569b yig

The unit has a lot of RF goodies, like a 22 GHz 3-stage YIG filter, a YIG oscillator, a 22 GHz mixer, various 22 Ghz coaxial relais – but with another parts unit already at hand, this unit seems to be to precious to scrap. Well, need to think about it, always wanted to provide an electronic replacement for the aging 8565A 8569A/B control assemblies. Maybe, a good project for next winter!

3047A Phase Noise System: the revival

For quite some years I have been dealing with temporary setups for phase noise measurement, mixers, amplifiers, analyzers, of all kinds. For the more noise sources, direct measurement with a good spectrum analyzer is rather straightforward, but in most cases, dealing with rather low noise sources here, and often, at rather high GHz frequencies.

Various techniques exist for reasonably accurate phase noise measurement of low noise sources, lately, at least in the <100 MHz region, correlation type (sampling) methods are used, and these instruments are great, really fast, and a good choice, if you have the funds and want something new and fancy. With all these choices nowadays, for many years, the HP (Agilent, Keysight) 3047A and 3048A were the gold standard for phase noise measurements (along with some Wenzel instruments). And, even better, the software at the time was written in BASIC, with all the source code available - so at least you know what it does and how it works. 3047a code

After scoring two of the 35601A units for a handful of dollars, time for a revival. With the old software no longer usable on current systems, some hours were spent to adapt it modern times. In the meantime, most of this software, at least the essential parts, have been implemented in C (still needs to be cleaned up, if you are working on a similar thing and need it urgently, let me know).

This is the general setup:
3047a scheme

The noise floor, depends on the mixer (the 35601A has two mixers, one for the 5 MHz to 1.6 GHz range, and a second mixer for up to 18 GHz – the later one has about 10 dB reduced sensitivity).
3047a noise floor

So far, the system is running with a 3585A analyzer only, with temporary software, at single frequencies. The 3047A employs the 3585A analyzer from 25 kHz onwards, and a 3582A FFT analyzer for the lower frequencies; this will be replaced by a 3562A. The 3585A is also used to measure the correction factors of the interface, which is rather straightforward because of the build-in tracking generator.

Now, after some more programming, some first measurements, of a few generators I have around here (8645A, 8782B, and a Micro-Tel SG811). As a reference the 8662A is used, so the 8645A can’t perform to its full specs – the measurement is limited by the reference.

3047a 3585a analyzer test

Next steps: improving the 3562A functionality, for lower frequencies – this requires some more work on the HP code, which was written for a 3582A analyzer. And, finally, making it a bit more easy and intuitive to use.

Controlling the 35601A Spectrum Analyzer Interface

Amongst other heavy boxes, the HPAK (HP Agilent now Keysight) 35601A is one of the instruments that form the venerable 3047A phase noise measurement system.
It contains two phase detectors (for up to 1.6 GHz, and for up to 18 GHz), a 40 db low noise amplifier, and other useful components to form a PLL (lead lag network, lock detector, a DAC, and a PLL to drive a low frequency signal from the 3585A IF).

35601a block diagram

This is the block diagram, sorry for the bad quality, it is the best I have, and you can read it with a magnifying glass. The 35601A has all kinds of switches that are GPIB controlled. The original HP software requires a particular dialect of BASIC, no longer used these days.

Therefore, the little program below might be helpful, written in C (compiles with GCC, and most other C compilers). Sorry, not particularly user friendly or anything, but those having ordinary skill in the art will know how to use it. The binary is quite useful for a quick check of the 35601A. Just connect a 10 MHz reference, and a 10 MHz VCO with about 10 kHz per V tuning range (like a 8662A with DC FM), and you can watch to PLL close.

PLL unlocked (see the upper yellow LED illuminated, indicating an open phase lock loop):
35601a not locked

PLL locked (the upper LED is dark!):
35601a locked

The program files. Working with a National Instruments GPIB interface card, but can be adapted to other cards with little effort.
sw35601 program 150227

Please, no unfavorable comments about the Tektronix 2215. It is still a very good scope, despite the obvious lack of a LCD screen and gigabytes worth of sample memory (it doesn’t have any memory).