With most of the 3580A functions working again, we still need to fix the digital display. Essentially, the 3580A uses a digital scope circuit, similar to those use in digital oscilloscopes of the 70s.
First, some study of the ADC. The 1973 HP Journal has all the details, it is successive approximation, peak detecting ADC.
Checking the input to the digital display board, blue trace, and the comparator/approximator input to the ADC, yellow. Seems something is wrong with the ADC ciruit, or it’s timing-counter control systems.
After considerable checking and probing, I found the issue, a dead 4019 CMOS, 4×2 multiplexer. Replaced it with a “new” part, taking great care to avoid any static discharge to the board.
The dead part, it is almost a historic piece! 1974, only a few year after the introduction of CMOS circuits by RCA!
That’s the full board. Multiplayer construction. Plenty of precision resistors that are needed for the ADC circuit.
Another working antique part – the 2102 S-RAM, Intel, 1 kbit per circuit. 8 pieces – a total of 1 kbyte of SRAM!
Working display…
10 kHz reference display… Great!
Even the log scale scan is working.
One tip – put all the screws and parts in a box, and check that it is empty afterwards. So many instrumented I receive here in the workshop are missing some screws or other parts.
Hello Simon.
Besides a couple EEV blog posts and your repair/ review here, there is so little information showing the operation or any kind of repair of these units.
Recently purchased mine on Ebay and my screen looks like your pics of the 10k ref and the Log sweep. I guess it’s working!
All the best.
Thanks. If it shows the trace, likely it is working. You can also do a check if the level/amplitude is correct, when you connect a reasonably reliable or calibrated source.
Hello Simon,
I purchased a 3580A in 1997 and got it cheap due to it
not working. As I recall, it would not sweep and only
displayed a dot. Studying the theory of operation and
some troubleshooting, I found that U22, the same IC
you had to replace, was bad. I swapped in a new 4019
and all was well for many years. A few years back, the
display was working but the levels shown were about
50dB down from what they should have been. I found
that U2, the first mixer, an MC1496G, had gone bad. I
replaced it and once again, all is well. No other
components have been replaced in this unit and it is
cosmetically in very nice shape. The date codes on the
parts are all late 1979. The only other work I’ve had to
do to it is a bit of touch-up alignment and cleaning some
of the controls. I really like the serviceability
of this instrument. Try that with today’s gear in 40 years!
Indeed, you are right. Also for the common uses and regular purpose, it is way good enough even today and the instrument is very intuitive to use, fun to work with. I grew up with digital scopes but the green color of a nice CRT has some special glow to it, can’t be substituted by any LCD or modern display for its feel. Simon